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GN[U.S. Go Congress day 5 - board 1 - Myung-Wan Kim vs Juyong Koh]PW[Myung-Wan Kim]PB[Juyong Koh]WR[8p]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-06]EV[U.S. Open]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Matthew Luce]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Who is Andy Liu playing today?
USGO1 [-\]: Eric Lui
]RE[W+Resign]
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;W[pd]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Thanks.
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the U.S. Open board one
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;B[cd]C[USGO1 [-\]: here in sunny Fairfax Virginia
mcw85 [7k\]: USGO, ask an admin to event these games.
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;W[pq]
;B[po]C[mcw85 [7k\]: And thank you for broadcasting. :-)
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;W[ed]C[USGO1 [-\]: Andy Liu just sat down to watch this game
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;B[qq]C[mcw85 [7k\]: His game over already? Haha.
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;W[fq]C[USGO1 [-\]: It would seem his opponent has not yet shown up
mcw85 [7k\]: Ahh, I see. 
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;B[cn]C[USGO1 [-\]: Andy's opponent just showed up
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;W[dr]C[mcw85 [7k\]: USGO, do you know who Andy is playing tonight? Sorry for asking you so many questions but the pairings aren't on the site yet. 8-)
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;B[ec]C[USGO1 [-\]: That's because they have not been released
mcw85 [7k\]: Ahh, makes sense.
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;B[dc]C[evanj [2d\]: hello all
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the American Go E-Journal's LIVE coverage of the 2009 US Go Congress!
USGO1 [-\]: Today we're bringing you the top boards at the US Open
evanj [2d\]: interesting to me how many tenukis i've been seeing in fusekis at this level lately
mcw85 [7k\]: Stream: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
leger [1d\]: not related to go, but I saw the pics of the E-Journal's staff, the woman in your team really is cute.. lucky you
Onmyoji [2d\]: who is b on kgs?
USGO1 [-\]: I believe she is watching the game
leger [1d\]: you must all be in love
evanj [2d\]: i like b's outfit, he is hunting
klabauter [2d\]: Last round?
USGO1 [-\]: 2 rounds to go
evanj [2d\]: no, 2 more
klabauter [2d\]: ok
evanj [2d\]: after this one
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;B[qp]
;W[or]
;B[qk]C[Kirigo: g16 now?
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;W[fd]
;B[cf]
;W[qi]C[evanj [2d\]: looks like a boring standard fuseki until you check the move order...
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;B[jd]
;W[nc]C[leger [1d\]: it looks like a good game already, very safe positions
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong gives a sharp intake of breath and sighs a bit
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;B[fg]C[USGO1 [-\]: He bows slightly to his opponent before going to get a glass of water
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;W[ie]C[USGO1 [-\]: Myung-wan makes his move while his opponent is away
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;B[je]
;W[if]
;B[id]
;W[hd]
;B[jf]
;W[ig]
;B[kh]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: sneaky
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;W[ii]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: how can w know where black played last
leger [1d\]: what do you guys think about it ? i like this better for black
Onmyoji [2d\]: b
Onmyoji [2d\]: w
Kirigo: they ^play very fast!
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;B[qf]C[leger [1d\]: r14 is a strong move
USGO1 [-\]: r14 is his right after making thickness to L12
lonsan [1k\]: b will win because he represents canada, can't afford to lose now that gyf has lost a few
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;W[qe]
;B[pf]C[leger [1d\]: i agree, lonsan, it's obvious
leger [1d\]: now w needs to help r11 stone, but it looks tough
leger [1d\]: thickness everywhere
USGO1 [-\]: But black cannot rest easy because of the invasion potential around r7
evanj [2d\]: doesn't need to help it now, no
USGO1 [-\]: and the aji at r11
dsaun [2d\]: who is the scribe, please?
leger [1d\]: this type of sequence is my weakness, but i suggest q9 
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;W[ne]C[evanj [2d\]: no, have to keep pressure on K14 grp
Vibration [7k\]: wow
evanj [2d\]: Q9 is wrong direction
leger [1d\]: ok
evanj [2d\]: ( ... I think ;) )
leger [1d\]: pro agreed with you
cloud [2d\]: if the f16 group gets strong, w will be very happy
evanj [2d\]: don't get used to it
Vibration [7k\]: pro tenuki so no good move in q9 area i guess
evanj [2d\]: it's not a tenuki,  vibe, very relevant to local situation
ichi7e [4k\]: this is no tenuki
Vibration [7k\]: euh no tenuki sorry ^^
evanj [2d\]: splitting attack
Onmyoji [2d\]: somebody has fallen asleel in front of the goban
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;B[ph]C[leger [1d\]: o15, i love it
USGO1 [-\]: Q9 would strengthen black. With o15, white keeps up the pressure on q14 and leaves many opportunities for later attack
evanj [2d\]: lol @onmy
USGO1 [-\]: Preserves aji
Onmyoji [2d\]: the green shirt guy is sleeping
dsaun [2d\]: who is the scribe for USGO1, please?
USGO1 [-\]: black now needs many more moves to make any territory there
USGO1 [-\]: Matthew Luce
dsaun [2d\]: thanks
Vibration [7k\]: yes but right side seems very big isnt
Vibration [7k\]: oh ok
leger [1d\]: one move seems enough, at this point, to make all right side into territory
evanj [2d\]: p9 would come close
USGO1 [-\]: If white tenukis, yes
USGO1 [-\]: which he may
leger [1d\]: but.. so many moyo opportunities for both sides
leger [1d\]: bottom and left sides are so large
evanj [2d\]: doesn't seem to me like bottom is moyo potential, too low
Armada [1d\]: White = Tartrate
leger [1d\]: tartre is all but white, it's usually yellow or black, on your teeth
leger [1d\]: oh sorry, you spelled tartrate
USGO1 [-\]: Pianist and Bidbadwolf are currently playing on board 2, if anyone is interested
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;W[pi]C[cloud [2d\]: just p12?
USGO1 [-\]: Andy Liu just stopped by to watch briefly
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;B[nh]C[USGO1 [-\]: Juyong sighs before playing
USGO1 [-\]: He must play carefully here to avoid giving white a chance to attack r9
choboco [1k\]: whats the price for winner this year?
USGO1 [-\]: Seems like Juyong has to make a phonecall
USGO1 [-\]: I'm afraid I can't translate player commentary this game, since both players are Korean
cloud [2d\]: so he only has two life lines left now?
toNe1 [1k\]: haha
Onmyoji [2d\]: calling his buddy lee sedol
GoGetta [-\]: Whats the site to the webcam?
mcw85 [7k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
GoGetta [-\]: The other one?
USGO1 [-\]: There is only one webcam
RikazeMA [24k?\]: It only follows First Board.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: You guys'll move it if they end before the other boards?
GoGetta [-\]: I mean the different website eurgotv yo uhave to sign in
RikazeMA [24k?\]: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eurogotv-ustest
GoGetta [-\]: Thx
USGO1 [-\]: So far, these players have taken the longest, so it is unlikely that they will end first
USGO1 [-\]: Andy Liu and Eric Lui on board 2 usually play pretty quickly
GoGetta [-\]: Kim games always take long
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;W[ni]C[USGO1 [-\]: Although currently it looks like we are furthest along
GoGetta [-\]: Why do they always get 7ds are they saaving the por vs por games for the finals?
USGO1 [-\]: por?
GoGetta [-\]: *pro
USGO1 [-\]: How many pros you think are in this tournement?
cloud [2d\]: it looks like it will be andy vs the winner of this in the finals
Onmyoji [2d\]: 34
Onmyoji [2d\]: pros
choboco [1k\]: what is the price money this year?^^
GoGetta [-\]: 2?
GoGetta [-\]: 4?
OnTheWay [7k\]: eurogotv sending in the us??? that s a contradiction isn t it?
USGO1 [-\]: Liang Jie just stopped by to watch briefly
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Eh, I say, don't complain or question.  I'm glad they're broadcasting it.
choboco [1k\]: eurogotv isnt sending from us but from the european go congress
choboco [1k\]: or is it?^^
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I think he means the live-stream choboco.  It's on the EuroGoTV site.
USGO1 [-\]: We are currently broadcasting on EuroGoTV
USGO1 [-\]: from the US
OnTheWay [7k\]: mobiles are allowed ?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Which I'm very happy about.  This beginner gets to see how pros from all over the world play.  =)
USGO1 [-\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: Cell phones are allowed
USGO1 [-\]: this is an amateur tournament
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Well, compared to me, they oughta be pros!  =P
Onmyoji [2d\]: its so easy to cheat
USGO1 [-\]: Myung-wan may be the only true pro
Gizensha [?\]: i wager tthat cheating is quite rare in go tournaments
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Ah, sou desu.
USGO1 [-\]: I can't imagine anyone would call anyone up for a move
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Rare indeed.
BlueBossa [7k\]: how is it pros are allowed to take part in an amateur tournament ?
leachy [13k\]: wow, if your mobile phones rings in chess or if anyone you know talks to you about your game .....automatic loss
quicksand [1k\]: how would he cheat? call a 9p?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Yeah, it'd be hard...
xedover [5k?\]: its an Open tournament
leachy [13k\]: 7d call 9p
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Whoever was helping him would have to see the board...
leger [1d\]: leachy, it must depend on the tournament
GoGetta [-\]: Its an open tournament
Fredrik [-\]: not so hard to see the board..
Gizensha [?\]: in european congress asians can take part but they don't compete about the eu championship
Fredrik [-\]: you are doing it, RikazeMA
RikazeMA [24k?\]: True.
leachy [13k\]: crazy, you could get help from a small team of pros
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I kinda wrote that off...
USGO1 [-\]: I don't think the small prize for winning the U.S. Open is enough to attract a small team of pros
leachy [13k\]: in top level chess, they sweep for electronic devices
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Still, though, I think people'd find it odd to be opening your phone after every move...
leger [1d\]: i like to think of go players as gentlemen, for the most part, i doubt there's ever been cheating in any european congress
USGO1 [-\]: The trouble with chess is that anyone with a computer can provide a winning move
USGO1 [-\]: Go is much harder
cloud [2d\]: which hopefully will not happen to go anytime soon
Onmyoji [2d\]: chess harder, thats why i paly go
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Yeah, to my understanding, there still aren't AI's strong enough to compete with pro's.
leachy [13k\]: depends how much you're prepared to pay them to win, get invited to top tournament to get paid better and prestige factor
choboco [1k\]: there already is a go bot that can beat pros..
Gizensha [?\]: it is considered good manners to ask your opponent for permission to use palm computer for game recording though
RikazeMA [24k?\]: *Shrug* Then maybe I'm wrong.
USGO1 [-\]: Myung-wan is the pro that played the computer
leger [1d\]: choboco, there isn't, actually there is one that manages to win from time to time on 9x9
cloud [2d\]: he didn't take that game seriously
choboco [1k\]: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/03/gobrain/
USGO1 [-\]: A supercomputer beat him by 2 with a 9-stone handicap
choboco [1k\]: more than 1 pro lost already
leachy [13k\]: forget computers, human help is wrong enough
choboco [1k\]: says this article
Onmyoji [2d\]: people always forget to mention the 9 handicap lol
choboco [1k\]: without handicap
leger [1d\]: choboco.. with a huge handicap maybe
RikazeMA [24k?\]: That's a big handi...
GoGetta [-\]: Its not that hard to beat someone with 9 handicap
leger [1d\]: show URL, we'll destroy your evidence
eyeglass [?\]: has MyungWan lost with 7h?
USGO1 [-\]: Not to my knowledge
USGO1 [-\]: Not on 19x19
choboco [1k\]: In February, at the Taiwan Open a program called MoGo beat two professionals. At an exhibition in Chicago, the Many Faces program beat another pro. The programs still had a head start, but the trend is clear.
leachy [13k\]: also go not harder than chess... just more available moves makes too long calculations for computer
cloud [2d\]: that article is horrible and misleading
choboco [1k\]: nah, its just truth
leachy [13k\]: AI not the point though
choboco [1k\]: sooner or later bots>all^^
cloud [2d\]: "had a head start" = took a huge handicap
USGO1 [-\]: All you need to do is play one of the robots on KGS to know the truth
cloud [2d\]: the strongest bot on KGS is 1D
leger [1d\]: "The programs still had a head start, but the trend is clear." the keyword is headstart, read again chobovo
leger [1d\]: *choboco
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;W[nj]C[Gizensha [?\]: "the Go program MoGo made two new world records by winning a 19 by 19 game with 7 handicap stones" always read the source!
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong hesitates before playing his stone
leachy [13k\]: humans better than computers even in chess....just humans get tired and blunder
choboco [1k\]: xD
USGO1 [-\]: Myung-wan does not
Onmyoji [2d\]: strongest bots maybe at most 4d
Gizensha [?\]: poorly writen article forgot to mention the handicap ;p
leger [1d\]: very bad article
SColbert [3d\]: i think the strongest bot is probably 3k
choboco [1k\]: well, after all it just takes enough people to programm all kind of moves and sequences
choboco [1k\]: and some day it will be perfect
Shana [2d\]: if a 1d beats a 5d with 9h will that prove that 1ds are better than 5ds?
cloud [2d\]: zen is strongest right now and it is 1d kgs
SColbert [3d\]: the 1d bots on KGS can't stand the test of time
leachy [13k\]: the fact that you could receive outside help could cause trouble on its own
fcarbon [2k\]: camera is overexposed
Cassis0 [5d\]: computers dont use experience programmation chocobo
Cassis0 [5d\]: too much possibilities 
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong reaches for a stone before putting it back
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
SColbert [3d\]: computers get confused if you make the game situation is very complex
USGO1 [-\]: Both players are obviously taced
HandA [1k\]: Where is this being held?
KillerMonk [4d\]: taced?
USGO1 [-\]: Although Myung-wan is consistently stone-faced
USGO1 [-\]: Fairfax, Virginia
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
USGO1 [-\]: Right outside Washington DC
HandA [1k\]: And the Euro one?
lonsan [1k\]: taxed
USGO1 [-\]: Taxed
leger [1d\]: this looks like a success for white, there's still lots of aji
USGO1 [-\]: both players are taxed
KillerMonk [4d\]: ok thx
leachy [13k\]: for a chess perspective see the recent topalov-kramnik world champioship match ....http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3375gives one article at the start of the controversy
SColbert [3d\]: i think w doing very well 
cloud [2d\]: they shouldn't be too taxed with the day off yesterday
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Ohh, VA huh?  Might have to take a trip out there to watch another Tourney like this someday...
leachy [13k\]: toiletgate controversy
Sebastian [2k\]: w 8p should do well ^^
lonsan [1k\]: haha juyong always wears that hat
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Lucky charm maybe?
cloud [2d\]: it's not in VA every year Riakze
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Well, obviously not.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: But next time it's in that area...
HandA [1k\]: Who wears a hat lol
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I've got relatives in VA, I could stay with them.
USGO3 [-\]: Wait another 25 years. :)
leachy [13k\]: sorry http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3375
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I've got that kind of time.  =P
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;B[oi]
;W[oj]
;B[oh]C[leachy [13k\]: what kind of prizemoney is available for top go tournaments?
Sebastian [2k\]: a lot
USGO1 [-\]: Very different in different countries
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong gets up for more water
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I'd imagine it's similar, at least in some places, to the kind of money you could make playing chess...
ramborocky [8k\]: what happend to your camera Euro?
TeeSushi [3d\]: are there good monte carlo chess players by any chance?
Sebastian [2k\]: euro?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
lonsan [1k\]: top pro go tournaments around 200k us
leachy [13k\]: about the same then
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i use a Canan XM1; not a webcam
RikazeMA [24k?\]: *Wolf whistle*  Makes me wish I could go pro...
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;B[ql]C[ramborocky [8k\]: you cant even see the stones on the board :/
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Canon
USGO1 [-\]: White decides against the risky fight
leachy [13k\]: 200k us for winner ?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Yeah, the camera's a bit over-exposed...
Sebastian [2k\]: dont complain
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Well, quite a bit, really.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: But we've got the board right here anyway.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if u have a better camera , donate it to EuroGoTV-US^^
RikazeMA [24k?\]: And USGO is nice enough to be giving us the psychological and physical play-by-play.  =)
TeeSushi [3d\]: i dont even got a webcam xD
KillerMonk [4d\]: I think black is doing well 
USGO1 [-\]: Well, these guys are a lot less expressive than some other players
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: dont complain, better to become a VIP-member so that we can buy mor good cameras
lonsan [1k\]: leachy: yes in top pro tournaments, not this one
ramborocky [8k\]: i think you could get better result with ajusting the placment and light^^
cloud [2d\]: m9?
USGO1 [-\]: It's a webcam, can't change it much
RikazeMA [24k?\]: And, like I said, we've got the game-board right here anyhow...
OnTheWay [7k\]: usgo you could interview the players during the match about their feelings and opinions concerning the match
evanj [2d\]: the good cameras are at the EGC, apparently :D
mcw85 [7k\]: Strap it to Myung-wan's head, please?
evanj [2d\]: er, no he couldn't, ontheway
RikazeMA [24k?\]: xD
lonsan [1k\]: could you also maybe just yell really loudly from time to time, just to see the players reactions? good to know if they are on edge or not
evanj [2d\]: haha
fcarbon [2k\]: :-)
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Kim gets up for water too much, we'd see the Water Cooler as often as the board.  =P
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
evanj [2d\]: Kim only brought two shirts to the Congress, apparently
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Heh, I'd forget to pack everything but a toothbrush if it were me.  I'd be too nervous.
OnTheWay [7k\]: if he is able to wash 1 every day 2 shirts are enough
leger [1d\]: it.s easy to buy a toothbrush :P no big loss
evanj [2d\]: so, what do we think of O15 in retrospect?
cloud [2d\]: o15 seems good to me
leger [1d\]: o15 looks great
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I'd have to buy a razor though, and I'm rather partial to my own.
USGO1 [-\]: o15 still good. preserved the aji of r11
USGO1 [-\]: and allowed for this sequence
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Uhh, newbie question...  Aji?
USGO1 [-\]: while giving white territory in the corner
evanj [2d\]: aji = potential
evanj [2d\]: for future possibilities
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Ahhh, thank you, evanj.
USGO1 [-\]: aji literally means "flavor"
evanj [2d\]: hard to translate, even harder to understand :D
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;W[mp]C[Gizensha [?\]: often kind of after taste :)
USGO1 [-\]: In Chinese, "weidao"
Gizensha [?\]: sometimes very bitter :)
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Oh, thanks for the Japanese Lesson USGO.  I've been learning for a while now, so new material is always good.
leger [1d\]: i wish black won, but i think white took the lead ever since o15
cloud [2d\]: i feel that this might be the toughest game for myung-wan kim thus far
evanj [2d\]: very solid game so far
USGO1 [-\]: Aji is also the first character in the Japanese for "MSG"
USGO1 [-\]: Aji-no-moto
evanj [2d\]: hehe
KillerMonk [4d\]: well strategically, it seems to me that white  is not ahead in territroy.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: xD
cloud [2d\]: d10 looks pretty big right now
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;B[jj]C[lonsan [1k\]: oh man, i always wondered why my korean friend called aji "taste"
USGO1 [-\]: Black goes for the splitting attack!
KillerMonk [4d\]: And whatever attack he has  in the center is limited by  his weak group 
OnTheWay [7k\]: q12 has a lot of aji
evanj [2d\]: good, keep the pressure on and drive into the lower side ...
evanj [2d\]: and maybe get a move on the left while you're at it
Gizensha [?\]: maybe b want a position in ceenter so he can play at the bottom later?
KillerMonk [4d\]: so personnaly I would like to play black here
lonsan [1k\]: they use the annoying talkinging ing clocks even in the us open, not just the NAIM?
evanj [2d\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: They only talk with byo-yomi
USGO1 [-\]: Although these players have set their clocks to Korean
lonsan [1k\]: yes, but that's when you want to concentrate the hardest
OnTheWay [7k\]: the clocks talk?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Agreed, lonsan...  I'd be tempted to smash it during my byo-yomi...
USGO1 [-\]: Yuan Zhou was getting very frustrated earlier in the week with his clock during byoyomi
xedover [5k?\]: but that's when you want the clock to talk, so you don't have to break concentration to actually have to look at the clock
lonsan [1k\]: i believe it...i have won and lost tournament games because of those things
evanj [2d\]: yes, and if I recall correctly you can't turn them off?
USGO1 [-\]: Although he ended up winning
OnTheWay [7k\]: can t you just set the talking off?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I'd rather just have my clock make a bass-pitch beep at me on the 15 second mark, then every other second starting at 10...
MChow [6k\]: b preparing to invade bottom
lonsan [1k\]: i can keep concentration better glancing at the clock than having that annoying voice in my ear
xedover [5k?\]: pro game have timekeepers that tell the players the time
Gizensha [?\]: in title match there is someone in staff that will count the byo-yomi aloud
klm [2d\]: why Yuan got frustrated?
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;W[om]C[RikazeMA [24k?\]: Talking clock, klm.
xedover [5k?\]: its very helpful
Gizensha [?\]: guess it's why there seems to be young female pro often doing the timekeeping ;p
evanj [2d\]: would be nice if you had some choices, though, in terms of settings...
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Eh, agreed.
xedover [5k?\]: these newer Ing clocks do have more options now
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Well, not everything can be the best right away, eh?
OnTheWay [7k\]: o6?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Man, I wish I had this computer set up so I could use a seiza mat...
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;B[gj]C[klm [2d\]: what did the clock talk?
Draak [1d\]: ...
RikazeMA [24k?\]: The ING clocks count down during Byo-yomi
USGO1 [-\]: Clock says "5 times 30 seconds"
Emiel [10k\]: with the ing clock can u see opponts time?
Gizensha [?\]: it tells the players the time left
xedover [5k?\]: yes, Emiel
Gizensha [?\]: Emiel: not only see but hear too :D
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Hehehe
klm [2d\]: isn't Yuan used to these clocks?
USGO1 [-\]: black tenuki's and attacks!
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;W[ij]
;B[jk]C[Kirigo: what a fast moove
Emiel [10k\]: why the two displays?
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;W[ik]
;B[jl]C[RikazeMA [24k?\]: USGO, love the play by play, since I can't really tell much of what's going on until you say stuff like that.
Djaian [3k\]: Emiel, you have to click on a button to see your opponent's time
Gizensha [?\]: b really seems to aim at the bottom
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Half these moves just seem like...  Well, randomness, to me...
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;W[il]C[RikazeMA [24k?\]: Though, these people think miles above what I can...
evanj [2d\]: gotta say I'm not loving w right now
USGO1 [-\]: Black is trying to keep up his splitting attack, rather than immediately making territory on the left
USGO3 [-\]: Yuan likes to use his time and often goes into biyo-yomi.
USGO1 [-\]: since black is still not safe in the upper right
norg [3k\]: w seems to be building an epic wall against nothing...
aga2k [4k\]: is yuan playing?
evanj [2d\]: yes, aga2k
Yabanjin: black on the left is getting thinner compared to white
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;B[jm]C[Emiel [10k\]: hmm.. ok, it seems little bit  of a hassle
aga2k [4k\]: w seems safe now
KillerMonk [4d\]: well, white is driving black into his moyo at the bottom 
Ceptryn [1d\]: bad for white
OnTheWay [7k\]: and into the attck of r11
klm [2d\]: what is the best point to invade left side?
KillerMonk [4d\]: out of this exchange, black gets the k7 stone 
aga2k [4k\]: can w j4
eft [5k\]: d10
KillerMonk [4d\]: he also gets the g10 stone 
Kirigo: k5 ?
USGO3 [-\]: Yuan facing Gus Price right now.
KillerMonk [4d\]: So if  white defends, black does too and he has a bigger moyo. 
leger [1d\]: k7 does look like a very good position, everything that seems to be important on the board is affected by it
evanj [2d\]: oh, i'd love to see that game... too bad
cloud [2d\]: yuan lost to gus i think
cloud [2d\]: in the ing tournament
KillerMonk [4d\]: White will probably invade therefore ,  and after the attack, black will defend the left or invade the bottom 
OnTheWay [7k\]: d10 or c10 invasion now
RikazeMA [24k?\]: And it seems to me b's got strong moyo on the left...
Shana [2d\]: b's moyo is weak with lots of holes
lonsan [1k\]: can we get the player's times, usgo?
cloud [2d\]: err no
cloud [2d\]: yuan zhou and gus price played in round 3 of the open
OnTheWay [7k\]: maybe b can kill with o6?
cloud [2d\]: they aren't playing today
sameasyou [2d\]: w has to defend around o6 before invading
bsaltman [3k\]: d7?
USGO3 [-\]: Sorry, looking out the corner of my eye. Not Gus.
KillerMonk [4d\]: on the right, my guess is black will defend with q6
Gizensha [?\]: i doubt that either of them is thinking aabout killing anything
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;W[mj]C[OnTheWay [7k\]: maybe c8 invasion attacking c6?
Gizensha [?\]: the real aim is usually to make opponent suffer, not die as killing is quite hard
USGO1 [-\]: Takemiya Masaki is in the room watching
JeanVidToi [6k\]: say hi
Gizensha [?\]: radiating his cosmic influence?
Gizensha [?\]: eveyone got a stone stronger? :)
OnTheWay [7k\]: m11 looks natural
klm [2d\]: has Takemiya commented any games yet?
USGO1 [-\]: None of these yet
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
klm [2d\]: how about NAIM?
Arhiman [2k\]: sanrensei Takemiya is at the USGC ?
USGO1 [-\]: Yes
Arhiman [2k\]: oh ok
Yabanjin: how is he dressed? Takemiya?
freddygo [5k\]: san is 3, but what is rensei?
USGO1 [-\]: He is wearing a strange hat
USGO1 [-\]: 3 stars
RikazeMA [24k?\]: This is gonna sound silly, but who's Takemiya?  Top tier pro or something?
evanj [2d\]: yes, rikaze
USGO1 [-\]: He is an older pro
evanj [2d\]: check wiki
Gizensha [?\]: legendary pro :)
dsaun [2d\]: he is a legent
USGO1 [-\]: In his prime in the 80s
dsaun [2d\]: legend*
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;B[ji]C[evanj [2d\]: sanrensei = star point opening, e.g. Q16 Q4 Q10
evanj [2d\]: typical of takemiya
crius [13k?\]: black is winning?
evanj [2d\]: very influence-oriented, center-focused player, lots of unusual high moves
evanj [2d\]: hence "cosmic go"
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Oh.  Well, boy, do I feel out of the loop.  =P
YeknomGib [4k\]: most of us do
evanj [2d\]: it's ok, rikaze :)
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Heh, thanks evanj.
OnTheWay [7k\]: what does tier mean?
crius [13k?\]: tygem
lonsan [1k\]: tier is like level, so top tier would be top level
evanj [2d\]: it doesn't take much; i didn't really follow go for a few years until recently, and when I started paying attention again people were talking about players I've never heard of
evanj [2d\]: like Lee Sedol
OnTheWay [7k\]: i only now tier from WC3
dsaun [2d\]: tier would be some band or range
crius [13k?\]: tygem is high level?
mungo [?\]: I thought it was...one who ties  :)
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Heh, well, I'm still a beginner at Go anyway, so I guess I can cut myself some slack.
evanj [2d\]: yes indeed
USGO1 [-\]: Some ruckus in the room as the caterer refills the ice water
cloud [2d\]: why not b g14
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Hehe
evanj [2d\]: focus on learning the game, worry about the personalities later :P
evanj [2d\]: oh, i was wondering what that was
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;W[li]C[evanj [2d\]: i thought someone had overturned a bowl of stones
crius [13k?\]: Hi! I am a biginner !
OnTheWay [7k\]: lee sedol stopped for a year?
]
;B[mh]C[YeknomGib [4k\]: yes, so he could learn to cook
evanj [2d\]: he's not playing currently, in dispute with Hankuk Kiwon
leger [1d\]: i like l12, the more i read around it, the better it seems
Djaian [3k\]: lee sedol took a break from korean league
RikazeMA [24k?\]: That's why I'm here evanj, to try to understand better how to think about Go.
evanj [2d\]: me too :)
YeknomGib [4k\]: hard to learn from such an advanced game =|
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Listening to the commentary in these rooms is very educational.
Shana [2d\]: whats going on T_T
lamentos: Move 61, what's mean?
evanj [2d\]: wow
RikazeMA [24k?\]: True, but I only need to understand what-...
Gizensha [?\]: often easier than from the confused low level amateur games ;)
HandA [1k\]: IS THAT TRUE?
leger [1d\]: YeknomGib, this kind of game is very good, it's go at it's best : slow and strong players; so you build your instincts
RikazeMA [24k?\]: That sounds exciting!
HandA [1k\]: Audio or?
mungo [?\]: Far out!
RikazeMA [24k?\]: And as luck would have it, I've been watching 1st board almost from the start, so maybe I'll pick up something interesting from Takemiya or Guo's commentaries.  =D
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;W[ge]
;B[cq]C[USGO1 [-\]: Blacks feels he can relax and take territory
USGO1 [-\]: Although there is still potential for attacking f3
USGO1 [-\]: As a reminder, Takemiya Masaki is now reviewiing this game in another room
hutachip [6k\]: which room would that be?
]
;W[dm]C[YeknomGib [4k\]: USGO10, right/
USGO1 [-\]: English game room
hutachip [6k\]: ty
evanj [2d\]: ooh
pinkle: why not f7 instead of c3 ?
pinkle: wasnt it better? 
Onmyoji [2d\]: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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;B[fp]C[pinkle: ok
crius [13k?\]: I wnt to be strong..But I don't know what to do
pinkle: well dont ask questions here cuz nobody answer
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
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;W[gp]C[RikazeMA [24k?\]: Crius: Like everyone keeps telling me, just keep playing games, review them, look for your mistakes, your good moves, and take those lessons into your next games.
crius [13k?\]: please show me....
evanj [2d\]: play games and ahve them reviewed by a stronger player
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Put up reviews of the games you play on here and ask for reviews from stronger players.
Onmyoji [2d\]: you need lots of talent to become strong, if you cant reach 1 in 6 months its hopeless
Onmyoji [2d\]: 1 dan
RikazeMA [24k?\]: *Rolls eyes*
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Trying to thin the competition, Onmyoji?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: =P
ZeroCool [3k\]: you need to buy a cool looking fan. that makes you 2 stones stronger
cloud [2d\]: sigh
]
;B[fo]
;W[hq]C[cloud [2d\]: wow
cloud [2d\]: w doesn't care about the d7 stone
USGO1 [-\]: White strengthens his stones, makes territory, and risks the attack on d7
crius [13k?\]: I don't have the friend of  the stronger player ...
Sbetsho [8k\]: you don't have to
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Don't worry about that, crius.  Just keep playing and having fun.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: The rest, that'll come naturally.
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;B[dk]C[Sbetsho [8k\]: complete strangers are willing to review your game
kane955 [4k\]: whites dominating black
faaa: Why is that?
Bheeshma [4k\]: ouch!.. white can invade deep now?
USGO1 [-\]: Lots of spectators now
baitem [3k\]: this left side looks quite large   need see how w will reduce
USGO1 [-\]: A crowd has gathered
USGO1 [-\]: Young fans and older Japanese pros
faaa: I'm new, started yesterday:))
crius [13k?\]: It is important to enjoy.But I want to be a strong player..
Bheeshma [4k\]: it's tartrate afterall :)
]
;W[cm]C[xedover [5k?\]: its not
crius [13k?\]: soon
Onmyoji [2d\]: tartrate the most famous go player that ever lived
lonsan [1k\]: clearly
baitem [3k\]: allegedly tartrate
Bheeshma [4k\]: i'd like to think he is.. a far more lucrative crowd puller than '8p'
Sbetsho [8k\]: Shindo Hikaru is!!!!11
RikazeMA [24k?\]: lol
cloud [2d\]: hard to kill this white
faaa: Let's discuss the game? I would like to learn something, not to talk offtopic
Sbetsho [8k\]: go ahead
crius [13k?\]: I want to be like "sindou hikaru"
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Which white, cloud?
cloud [2d\]: the two stones..
faaa: c7 d7, i guess
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;B[gr]C[RikazeMA [24k?\]: c7 group, okay, that's what I thought you meant.  Thanks for clarifying for me.
Wirtuoosi [3d\]: what's the meaning of this probe?
lonsan [1k\]: blocking the ponnuki and 30 free points
crius [13k?\]: RikazeMa is not 24k?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: No, probably closer to 29k, really.
Emiel [10k\]: shindou hikaru is a copy cat 
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;W[gq]C[WoolyMaCha [5k\]:  crius, please see private message.
]
;B[bn]C[Armada [1d\]: will takemiya masaki give comment on this game?
evanj [2d\]: he is currently, armada
dsaun [2d\]: he is, see USGo11
YeknomGib [4k\]: in process
crius [13k?\]: really? I feel you aren't 24k
YeknomGib [4k\]: USGO 10
YeknomGib [4k\]: not 11
dsaun [2d\]: sorry, 10
dsaun [2d\]: right
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Wooly, what are your thoughts on how this game is going so far?
mungo [?\]: Is that Takemiya that just sat at the table?
Onmyoji [2d\]: no
evanj [2d\]: No, Takemiya is in another room commenting on the game
Onmyoji [2d\]: takmiya more bald
evanj [2d\]: that too :)
Rimathon [18k\]: what's the total time they get?
YeknomGib [4k\]: too hard to watch both commentaries at the same time =(
faaa: why b6 not b7 ?
USGO1 [-\]: 2 hours plus byoyomi
RikazeMA [24k?\]: 2 hours I believe.
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: Rikaze...I am not strong enough to comment .
USGO1 [-\]: 5 periods 30 seconds
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: For comments, see USGO10 game
USGO1 [-\]: Tamemiya is commenting
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Hmm...  Okay, then I won't press you.
Armada [1d\]: btw, thanks evanj
Buggy [4k\]: where is the comment ?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: USGO 10, Buggy.
Rimathon [18k\]: usgo10
RikazeMA [24k?\]: English Game Room.
Buggy [4k\]: k thx
Vovka27 [13k\]: in next room comments from the start of game)
USGO1 [-\]: Sorry, Takemiya
USGO1 [-\]: correction
crius [13k?\]: Rikazema, I'm sorry. I understand little English. So I don't understand your ward.... 
USGO1 [-\]: Still a big audience here on board 1
crius [13k?\]: I'm sad
djaffar [12k\]: there is a guy who  is to play  a game  with me and he doesnt want to start 
USGO1 [-\]: Players from downstairs are filtering in as their games end
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong shakes his head and clenches his jaw muscles
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;W[dg]C[Armada [1d\]: tartrate gonna win this game
]
;B[df]C[BuhariEX [3k\]: are the pros have users in KGS?
Armada [1d\]: kim myung wan = tartrate 
Armada [1d\]: he was
ajistorm [1d\]: e13
BuhariEX [3k\]: ohhh tartrate, and black isn't?
Armada [1d\]: black is tempramentrate
BuhariEX [3k\]: c10 
BuhariEX [3k\]: or e14 
Armada [1d\]: it's not easy to read this :D
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: Buhari, some pros come to Kgs to teach.
BuhariEX [3k\]: that's nice... make some money. :P
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: yes
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;W[di]C[USGO1 [-\]: The commentary is a this point from Takemiya Masaki in the english game room
pi3rrot [4d\]: where ?
USGO1 [-\]: USGO10
pi3rrot [4d\]: thx
Armada [1d\]: usgo
Armada [1d\]: please ask takemiya.. what about black to c12 instead of d14
Armada [1d\]: or maybe someone can help me answer this?
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;B[dj]C[BuhariEX [3k\]: wouldn't white connect if c12 ? i dont think black wants it..
Armada [1d\]: but black has chance to attack c7
xedover [5k?\]: Armada, Takemiya is in the other room, ask in usgo10's game
USGO1 [-\]: Both players have used more than half their time now
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Can't.
Armada [1d\]: i can't
USGO1 [-\]: What's the question?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: USGO 10 FINALLY moderated the chat after endless trolling.
Armada [1d\]: c12 for black instead of d14
crius [13k?\]: Who is USG10  controled by ? 
xedover [5k?\]: ah, goo idea
xedover [5k?\]: *good
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Agreed, xedover...
RikazeMA [24k?\]: It was getting on my nerves...
USGO1 [-\]: USGO10 is Chris Garlock
USGO1 [-\]: The editor of the US Go E-Journal
Yabanjin: was the troll banned?
Sebastian [2k\]: just hide the chat so it wont get on your nerves
crius [13k?\]: Chris? takemiya is not ?
Armada [1d\]: USGO1.. please.. ask takemiya about black c12 and not to d14..
RikazeMA [24k?\]: A legend (so I've been told,) like Takemiya shows up to offer commentary on a game, and all everyone does is just gets in fights...
Hideto [3k\]: what is time  players ? 
Rimathon [18k\]: takemiya is going to sleep now
crius [13k?\]: hahaha
Gizensha [?\]: wise man :)
Armada [1d\]: please, stop kibitzing.. let us watch this game and give a usefull comment
RikazeMA [24k?\]: *Sigh* Sorry Armada, can do.
xpolyplus [4k\]: DAVID DAVID DAVID
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Well, the watching part...
xpolyplus [4k\]: ci sei????
umbra [5k\]: eccolo
xpolyplus [4k\]: ihiihh
USGO1 [-\]: What does everyone think? Can black still kill both white groups?
xpolyplus [4k\]: spammiamo sta chat XD
umbra [5k\]: ahah
kane955 [4k\]: no
xpolyplus [4k\]: XD
USGO1 [-\]: Can he settle in sente?
umbra [5k\]: ^^
xpolyplus [4k\]: scherzavamo
USGO1 [-\]: Perhaps even invade on the bottom?
BuhariEX [3k\]: he can kill both... but can have sente.
umbra [5k\]: ovvio
umbra [5k\]: nn mi fa di fa un nuovo account
umbra [5k\]: ahah
BuhariEX [3k\]: cant*
kane955 [4k\]: dont think so f11 area would hurt
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Mmm...  I dunno if he can kill both, but I agree with Buhari, I think he can have sente...
xpolyplus [4k\]: e13 (e 14 or f15)f11 g11 f12 g12 f10 ??
high5 [1d\]: e11 seems okp
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I feel like White might be a little strong in the bottom for an invasion, but we'll see...
BuhariEX [3k\]: but as much as i know tartrate... he'll find a way to get out of it beautifully.
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong bows and gets up
keslanopfa [3k\]: tartate is w?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Black
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: rumour
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Err, no.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: White, supposedly, yes.
sweety [-\]: no
USGO1 [-\]: White is a very careful player
USGO1 [-\]: He won the tournament last year, and would like to win it again
crius [13k?\]: Did takemiya  control USG10?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: No
crius [13k?\]: No?
USGO1 [-\]: Takemiya was translated for
RikazeMA [24k?\]: USGO 10 spoke for Takemiya
BuhariEX [3k\]: takemiya went to sleep.
Yabanjin: crius please stop the ? flood
crius [13k?\]: But
KillerMonk [4d\]: Takemiya was giving live commentary at the congress 
BuhariEX [3k\]: he said he'd give full commentary tomorrow
KillerMonk [4d\]: and somebody translated for him on kgs so you could benefit 
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: USGO1,  how much money did Kim won last yr.?
kane955 [4k\]: m14 might be a good move here to put a little more pressure on black
xpolyplus [4k\]: there are money?
crius [13k?\]: But you are talking about takemiya. Why this?
xpolyplus [4k\]: in price?
BuhariEX [3k\]: m14? i dont think white will tenuki in this situation
BuhariEX [3k\]: i like e14 
crius [13k?\]: I understood
Yabanjin: ?
Emiel [10k\]: whats is your follow up burarEx?
gogonuts [4d\]: J2 was very surprising :-)
USGO1 [-\]: misclick, sorry - Myung-Wan is still thinking.
BuhariEX [3k\]: e14 will be some kind of exchange if belive...
BuhariEX [3k\]: white takes f13 area and black takes d7 
Onmyoji [2d\]: i count w+12.5
gogonuts [4d\]: how do you count the left? :-)
xpolyplus [4k\]: how many money there are in price ???
Onmyoji [2d\]: easy
Emiel [10k\]: i think he can save both groups d7 d11 i think he must make a choice
Rimathon [18k\]: cgoban does it automatically
xpolyplus [4k\]: it's impossible count
Onmyoji [2d\]: no
xpolyplus [4k\]: because
xpolyplus [4k\]: you
Onmyoji [2d\]: i just counted
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong says he'll be back in ten minutes
crius [13k?\]: takemiya is looking at here?
xpolyplus [4k\]: have to now how battle end
RikazeMA [24k?\]: No, crius
USGO1 [-\]: Takemiya is resting from his flight
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Takemiya went to sleep.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Or rest.
gogonuts [4d\]: move out with f7?
BuhariEX [3k\]: then d11 is wiped...
crius [13k?\]: ummm
BuhariEX [3k\]: what about f11 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: that was just a prob ethen :-)
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Crius, Takemiya will be back tomorrow.
goguma [6k\]: these two koreans play so good
crius [13k?\]: but takemiya was looking at here?
Over9k [2k\]: i think one will die anyways
Yabanjin: crius what's your problem exactly?...
DoubleLion [2k\]: ...
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Yabanjin, Crius' English isn't very good, give him a break.
crius [13k?\]: I don't know
USGO1 [-\]: Takemiya reviewed this game up to move 76
gogonuts [4d\]: what was his assesment?
crius [13k?\]: I'm sorry.....
Hanne [3k\]: d13 invasion looks too deep
USGO1 [-\]: You can see that game under USGO10's records
RikazeMA [24k?\]: He mentioned a lot of the moves seemed odd to him.
gogonuts [4d\]: thx
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Crius, not you, you're okay.
Onmyoji [2d\]: tartrate's moves are probably too high level for him
RikazeMA [24k?\]: *Rolls eyes*
Yabanjin: the troll is back ^^
DoubleLion [2k\]: yeah
BuhariEX [3k\]: white's thinking or he left too?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Anyway, Takemiya sensei basically said he'd do a lot of things differently in either position.
Rimathon [18k\]: how much time does white have left?
USGO1 [-\]: White is still here
USGO1 [-\]: looking very impassive as usual
USGO1 [-\]: Myung-wan rarely gives any indication of what he's thinking
Onmyoji [2d\]: takemiya leaves to "rest" and black leaves at the same time? very suspicious
USGO1 [-\]: Even in a tight spot, he retains his poker face
kane955 [4k\]: g7 looks active
baian [1d\]: will they break for lunch ?
mungo [?\]: Considering the amount of time w is spending on this move, it must really be a complex situation.
bluefox90 [10k\]: what does p mean
USGO1 [-\]: On tuesday Myung-wan broke for lunch at 12:30
USGO1 [-\]: p means pro
Yabanjin: lol onmyoji
baian [1d\]: ok
crius [13k?\]: RikazeMa,you are speak English very good,you are a American?
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;W[ej]C[RikazeMA [24k?\]: Yes
bluefox90 [10k\]: is it in usa terms
bluefox90 [10k\]: is it the same as d
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong is back
BuhariEX [3k\]: e10 ... that's nice
cloud [2d\]: myung-wan broke for lunch at the request of his opponent though
crius [13k?\]: Ok,thank you
maxp73 [3d\]: f
USGO1 [-\]: 8p is technically the same as 8d
lonsan [1k\]: can we get the player's times, please USGO1?
bluefox90 [10k\]: oh okay thanks
USGO1 [-\]: I can only see one
jimmyeat: where is this tournament taking place?
]
;B[ek]C[Rimathon [18k\]: lol, black responds promptly
Bheeshma [4k\]: 8p means 8 dan professional.. 8d means 8 dan amateur :)
cloud [2d\]: this is really the only response
BuhariEX [3k\]: white must have thought it out...
zodte [10k?\]: well but they are both professional?
lonsan [1k\]: and how much time does mr. kim have? :)
Rimathon [18k\]: i look forward to seeing white's next few moves
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong is not a professional
]
;W[eg]
;B[ef]
;W[fh]C[YeknomGib [4k\]: how old is he?
HandA [1k\]: 15
cloud [2d\]: no, he is 14
Haven [9k?\]: srsly?
fivelover [3k\]: 28
Paiki [4k\]: how many stones ahead is a 8p compared to a 7d?
lonsan [1k\]: the ranking systems don't correlate like that paiki
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Jeez...  Certainly makes me feel old...
bolbi [-\]: you can't compare
gogonuts [4d\]: double hane to settle the position?
zodte [10k?\]: well but they are far away from an even game
Paiki [4k\]: but it is fair to say that the 8p is better?
lonsan [1k\]: not necessarily
Onmyoji [2d\]: amateur cant really beat pro
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Rank doesn't necessarily mean strength.
GoGetta [-\]: ???????????
lonsan [1k\]: 7d is the highest most amateur organizations give, so you can't really tell
Onmyoji [2d\]: only if very lucky
cloud [2d\]: so jie li would have to get lucky to beat james kerwin then?
norg [3k\]: Jie Li beats pros, and he is amateur
lonsan [1k\]: onmyoki: gyf 7d beat huiren yang1p in the NAIM, without luck
norg [3k\]: Jie Li has already beaten a pro this tournament
Onmyoji [2d\]: well he is only 1p
lonsan [1k\]: lol
norg [3k\]: Andy Liu has twice recently beaten Yilun Yang, 7p
Borders [2d\]: and bbw beating yly
GoGetta [-\]: Why is 7d the highest they give?
zodte [10k?\]: well he beat 1p thats a diference to beat 8p
Onmyoji [2d\]: yes
qwazidan [4k\]: it's not 9d
TeeSushi [3d\]: g12 ?
lonsan [1k\]: because historically 9d is the world's strongest and 8d is the second strongest, so if you are an amateur you're not one of those, leaving 7d...or so i have been told by some 7ds
Emiel [10k\]: Andy lui is bbw
BuhariEX [3k\]: 1p and 8p are just ranks... doesn't necessarily show strengh
gogonuts [4d\]: b has to capture the 2 w stones below
Onmyoji [2d\]: 1p and 8p huge difference
gogonuts [4d\]: but possibly first g12
Yabanjin: rankings also differ in strength in different countries
TeeSushi [3d\]: not in korea
crius [13k?\]: I should learn English, I noticed it..
TeeSushi [3d\]: in korea a 1p can beat a 9p
HandA [1k\]: easily
cloud [2d\]: i would play g12 here
qwazidan [4k\]: chinese .. 5d highest ama .. 6d and 7d honorary pro ranks
lonsan [1k\]: onmyoji is just trolling, and we are eating it up...
zodte [10k?\]: and what p ranks shows?
gogonuts [4d\]: this ranking discussion is a little tedious
lonsan [1k\]: ah qwazi, i didn't know that, i was just speaking about cga and aga
mungo [?\]: Every game, same conversation.
BuhariEX [3k\]: can black be satisfied with only d7 dead?
qwazidan [4k\]: i am not qwazi
Onmyoji [2d\]: ranking discussion is always needed, very interesting
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;B[gh]
;W[gg]
;B[ff]C[wotan123 [2d\]: and is boring reading about it in every game
bluefox90 [10k\]: is there matchs between cga aga and kgs
Emiel [10k\]: there was a  1p in china who's nickname is 9p chrusher
USGO3 [-\]: 7 dan is the highest amateur rank, but highest rating is 9
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;W[gi]C[wotan123 [2d\]: can a 1p beat a 9p and so on
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Yes, not Qwazi, just qwaz.
qwazidan [4k\]: pro ranks reflect accomplishments .. not directly strength
BuhariEX [3k\]: i really like white now. :O
]
;B[fi]
;W[hh]C[Sbetsho [8k\]: yay! Let's discuss about ranks
HandA [1k\]: Jie Li or smt is 9d ama right?
]
;B[eh]C[gogonuts [4d\]: offtopic comments should cost 10 cents per line
graphics18 [11k\]: was there a habndicap
lonsan [1k\]: yes, the wms could hire a programmer to improve cgoban :)
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I don't think so graphics.
DoubleLion [2k\]: thats not enough gogo
lonsan [1k\]: then*
KillerMonk [4d\]: Juyong Koh is canadian 7 dan, the highest rank we gan get in Canada 
BuhariEX [3k\]: f10 
wotan123 [2d\]: is 7d like 1p?
lonsan [1k\]: he won the canadian open last year
Onmyoji [2d\]: but he is korean
karintou [2k\]: e11
qwazidan [4k\]: d and p are different
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
lonsan [1k\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: This could be a fierce ko
wotan123 [2d\]: only a joke from me
crius [13k?\]: By the way, pro play in KGS?
lonsan [1k\]: yes, quite the ko
hutachip [6k\]: d is the reciprocal of a p
soslow [1k\]: no ko
qwazidan [4k\]: p ranks represent pro accomplishments .. not directly a measure of strength
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;W[fj]
;B[gh]C[HandA [1k\]: w escape 
BuhariEX [3k\]: :)
palapiku [7k?\]: canada does not have p ranks :)
RikazeMA [24k?\]: qwaz, I doubt they're listening, just let them fight it out...
wotan123 [2d\]: this looks like a ko or not?
hutachip [6k\]: its a culture thing
BuhariEX [3k\]: ?f9 
ProGoVerb [5k\]: f9 
ProGoVerb [5k\]: i vote for that
qwazidan [4k\]: thank you rika
jimmyeat: korea, china, japan are the only countries with pro ranks...?
lonsan [1k\]: if w f9, has b any choice other than c11?
USGO1 [-\]: Will reigning champ Myung-wan fight the ko, or be content to reduce Juyong side? 
hikaru3 [6k\]: i agree with f9
USGO1 [-\]: Stay tuned and find out!
HandA [1k\]: B doesn't have much ko threat
raifu [3k\]: lol
BuhariEX [3k\]: but even if f9, black can connect with b8 
KillerMonk [4d\]: black can attack p10 stones as ko threats 
BuhariEX [3k\]: i think
RelaX1337 [?\]: m8
Borders [2d\]: usgo is a buffet ?
HandA [1k\]: yeah P10 looks weak
JeanVidToi [6k\]: m12 
DoubleLion [2k\]: r7
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;W[ei]C[wotan123 [2d\]: hm
BuhariEX [3k\]: wha..
lonsan [1k\]: unexpected
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Newbie question, is it something about the P10 areas shape and moyo that makes it look weak?
crius [13k?\]: I heared  "Ou meien" will come here on August 10
lonsan [1k\]: it's that it doesn't have two eyes, that it looks weak
palapiku [7k?\]: the aji is bad, too much tartar sauce
BuhariEX [3k\]: i hope he read it through. X:
soslow [1k\]: my variation, hopes it good enough
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;B[hi]
;W[gk]C[lonsan [1k\]: f7?
hutachip [6k\]: nice
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Thanks lonsan.
wotan123 [2d\]: nice
evanj [2d\]: rikaze: just that it's not alive yet -- not clear that it has two eyes
Bheeshma [4k\]: nice!
wotan123 [2d\]: this is pro powa
eskalation [1k\]: nice !
crius [13k?\]: lol
eskalation [1k\]: .,.
evanj [2d\]: not that it is dead, but could -- theoretically!! -- be killed, and so is vulnerable to harassment
lonsan [1k\]: or f9?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: So, basically, it's weak until it's not?
gaoyakun [3d\]: black wins nothing
evanj [2d\]: right :)
graphics18 [11k\]: can make easily
lonsan [1k\]: b can kill d7 stones surely
evanj [2d\]: "weak" really just means there are opportunities for the other player to make moves that require you to defend your group while they take profit 
wotan123 [2d\]: avoiding the ko and makes things simple
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Good, then I've just learned something very important, thanks evanj.
Arhiman [2k\]: f7
BuhariEX [3k\]: f9 h10 d12 c11 f12 g11 f7 ?
evanj [2d\]: players at this level almost never have groups killed without letting them die
evanj [2d\]: (i.e. killed by surprise)
Werfeus [5d\]: c11 better than d12 buhari
evanj [2d\]: they will know a group is weak and decide it's not worth saving long before it's actually dead
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Right, they aren't like me and don't get baited into stupid moves...
evanj [2d\]: because to save it requires moves that might be better spent elsewhere
BuhariEX [3k\]: then... f9 h10 c11 
USGO1 [-\]: The players are getting low on time
palapiku [7k?\]: f12
BuhariEX [3k\]: white can be in trouble
Werfeus [5d\]: f9 was reserved buhari
graphics18 [11k\]: f9 useless
ajedrez [1d\]: what time do they have still?
gogonuts [4d\]: this result looks unapetizing for b
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
graphics18 [11k\]: w just h10
high5 [1d\]: c11 is a possibility
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;B[ci]C[BuhariEX [3k\]: oh right
eskalation [1k\]: ;)
BuhariEX [3k\]: missread :X
graphics18 [11k\]: h10
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;W[fk]C[Over9k [2k\]: h10 loses d12
mperahia [3k\]: who is in the winning position?
lonsan [1k\]: f7?
GoGetta [-\]: White likes to get into tight spots and end up winning
Over9k [2k\]: that's like thecaptain
Over9k [2k\]: except white is more sucessful
Haven [9k?\]: lol
gogonuts [4d\]: only difference is the winning ...
hikaru3 [6k\]: e 8
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I've seen a few of TheCaptain's games, very interesting, very entertaining.
gaoyakun [3d\]: b10
hikaru3 [6k\]: opps nvm
mperahia [3k\]: someone knows good websites for free professional games?
baian [1d\]: gonews
lonsan [1k\]: go4go
Shukai [1d\]: http://www.go4go.net/v2/
mperahia [3k\]: thx
ProGoVerb [5k\]: c12
gogonuts [4d\]: b10 good in itself, but the damage is allready done
OnTheWay [7k\]: check breakfast - he owns most of them and has a link in his info
Yabanjin: why not d12?
baian [1d\]: http://igo-kisen.hp.infoseek.co.jp/news.html
rydberg [2d\]: d12 leads to b losing the e9 stones
gogonuts [4d\]: rescuing d7 will give w a warm, fuzzy feeling
gogonuts [4d\]: b10 connects with better aji
SergeyASh [12k\]: e7 ?
graphics18 [11k\]: come on b move!
ProGoVerb [5k\]: because d12 c12 c13 c10 
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;B[bh]C[high5 [1d\]: finally b12
OnTheWay [7k\]: what about e7 brute force instead?
SergeyASh [12k\]: b want eat all - f10 j14 j8 d7 ? ))
high5 [1d\]: e7 seems to work
KillerMonk [4d\]: this game is close. And also very tough 
gogonuts [4d\]: f7 looks like shape, but e8 is safer ...
high5 [1d\]: but there was a cut in d12
gaoyakun [3d\]: does b12 better than b10?
adafdsfas: who is leading? by how much?
wotan123 [2d\]: i had played e7, but i think its high risky
high5 [1d\]: e7 is ko
high5 [1d\]: ok*
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;W[jg]
;B[kg]C[wotan123 [2d\]: ko or ok?
high5 [1d\]: ok
high5 [1d\]: ^^
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I've had my eye on F7 for the longest time, but it doesn't seem so great now...
gogonuts [4d\]: w got his fingers into bs honey pot, so w should be ahead
adafdsfas: how about k5?
GoGetta [-\]: honey pot -.-
gogonuts [4d\]: f7 is also not fully safe
Hylebos [3k\]: Tiggers don't like honey.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Yeah...  Re-wind the game 20 or 30 moves, I'd disagree, but now...
MKv2 [2d\]: c2 looks quite big
Hylebos [3k\]: Rikaze, amazing how powerful hindsight is eh?  :)
graphics18 [11k\]: e8
wotan123 [2d\]: but around the honey pt flying the killer bees
naruto008 [7k?\]: is honey pot is darling?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Heh, no kidding Hylebos...
Hylebos [3k\]: It gets bad when you become strong enough to realize how strong a move is but you don't have the foresight to see the move.
AurelienC [3d\]: l17 
USGO1 [-\]: A few clocks in the room have started byo-yomi
USGO1 [-\]: (in Chinese)
rydberg [2d\]: i cant imagine w playing such a pure-defense move as e8 at this time... attcking r4 maybe, as b left a move there
gogonuts [4d\]: thats right, if your gonna steal the honey and you go about it like winnie the pooh, youll get stung
palapiku [7k?\]: ershi-wu... ersih-ba...
wotan123 [2d\]: clocks with sound?
wotan123 [2d\]: counting the boyomi?
USGO1 [-\]: Yep
gogonuts [4d\]: L4 is a possibility
high5 [1d\]: maybe k4 or c2
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
wotan123 [2d\]: i like this clocks, so funny
de42: is w winning big?
high5 [1d\]: but e7 is big too
wotan123 [2d\]: 0.5 enough
OnTheWay [7k\]: k5 and start a really big smile on your face wiould be the winning strategy here i suppose
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Heh, well, I'm nowhere near that, but F7 was catching my eye earlier in the game for some reason...
Hylebos [3k\]: I have never seen honey stored inside of a jar.
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;W[jo]C[evanj [2d\]: really? there's some in my fridge right now
wotan123 [2d\]: did not someone suggested k5?
rydberg [2d\]: good call, ontheway :-)
OnTheWay [7k\]: hehe!!
Hylebos [3k\]: In a ceramic jar?
SergeyASh [12k\]: nice
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Someone did, wotan, indeed.  =P
evanj [2d\]: you didn't say ceramic :)
Hylebos [3k\]: True.
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong adjusts the white stone on the board, and takes a deep breath
wotan123 [2d\]: who was the hero?
qwazidan [4k\]: i don't recall seeing honey in other than glass
GoGetta [-\]: Thats game
]
;B[rf]C[Hylebos [3k\]: I've seen honey in plastic.
qwazidan [4k\]: oh .. a plastic tube or squeeze bottle
tsuchigumo [-\]: I dislijke opponents adjusting my stonres, i regard it as gamesmanship
leger [1d\]: if your opponents adjust your stones.. maybe they needed to be adjusted
leger [1d\]: eh..
GoGetta [-\]: ?
mcw85 [7k\]: Why? If they are having a hard time seeing where you placed the stone...
qwazidan [4k\]: i would ponder the nature of a bubble as more honey was squeezed
]
;W[re]C[gogonuts [4d\]: adjusting allready perfectly adjusted stones is annoying
RikazeMA [24k?\]: It would bother me too tsuchi, but I understand some people can be picky about that...
OnTheWay [7k\]: but the 8p is not really pro at playing - he didn t start to smile after the move....
high5 [1d\]: s11
gogonuts [4d\]: if stones are badly placed, you cant complain about it
waytowin [6d?\]: m17  f7 big moves
]
;B[no]C[GoGetta [-\]: o6 ?
graphics18 [11k\]: game takes way too long
gogonuts [4d\]: i thought s16 instead of s15
gogonuts [4d\]: only costs a little in the corner
RikazeMA [24k?\]: lol, you should have seen the EGC the other day graphics.
XSpanier [1k\]: is jie li playing in this tournament?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: One of the players spent nearly 30 minutes on the first move.
evanj [2d\]: egc game this morning took over 5 hours
OnTheWay [7k\]: the o6 idea was changed to be o5
USGO1 [-\]: Jie Li is not in this tournament, but he is in the Ing
gogonuts [4d\]: but now after t15 and t14 b can connect
SergeyASh [12k\]: looks o10 and q3 under attack?
adafdsfas: b trying to attack w group
high5 [1d\]: b can connect with s11
wotan123 [2d\]: sergeyash i think so
gogonuts [4d\]: but he couldnt before
high5 [1d\]: yep
tsuchigumo [-\]: s11 is irelevant at the moment
high5 [1d\]: p6
Yippie [2d\]: how much time do the players got left. USGO1?
leger [1d\]: i like o5
high5 [1d\]: p6 then r7
RikazeMA [24k?\]: He can only see one side of the timer from the Computer, Yippie.
USGO1 [-\]: white has 13 minutes
GP01 [3k\]: how much time for b?
USGO1 [-\]: Black again bows slightly before getting up
USGO1 [-\]: White has not left his seat the entire time
gogonuts [4d\]: w r7 would make a fine brawl
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Jeez, Kim must have god-like patience, to have been sitting there so long...
hikaru3 [6k\]: this also makes l5 a possibility for b right? 
GP01 [3k\]: white hasn't drank anything has he?...b is like drinking so much
GP01 [3k\]: lol
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I've already gotten up like 12 times to stretch...
SergeyASh [12k\]: wotan123, what w will defend? I think o10. Threat to  q3 not strong now. ?
palapiku [7k?\]: that's why he's a pro
fivelover [3k\]: ha ha
radishimo [5k\]: he's pro because.. HE DOESNT NEED MUCH WATER
fivelover [3k\]: trained well to sit still
radishimo [5k\]: half camel half go player all pro
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;W[mo]C[fivelover [3k\]: ha ah
fivelover [3k\]: and big bump on back
naruto008 [7k?\]: i'll become half man and half woman pro
wotan123 [2d\]: sergeyash, i think the pro has the right idea
USGO1 [-\]: And... Juyong is back
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I'm just going to pretend I didn't see that...
Rookwood [1k\]: this n5, very sweet, enlarge, solidify bottom and looks to connect, too
naruto008 [7k?\]: see what?
USGO1 [-\]: He clenches his jaw upon seeing Myung-wan's move
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Ohhh, tension.
USGO1 [-\]: The tournament director suggests adjourning for lunch
wotan123 [2d\]: choose the safe way with n5, which seems to connect
fivelover [3k\]: ha ha
gogonuts [4d\]: n5 is good psychological warfare, w says "ive got the shinogi down pat"
USGO1 [-\]: The players would rather not
wotan123 [2d\]: gogonuts or its timepressure?
USGO1 [-\]: They confer in Korean, and decide to continue playing
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Heh heh, good men.  And we'd like to watch I'm sure.
SergeyASh [12k\]: n5 seems strange... 
Rookwood [1k\]: they don't need water OR food. must be go-bots
fivelover [3k\]: interesting  
wotan123 [2d\]: instead of r7, which is risky
gogonuts [4d\]: n5 is good for the bottom
wotan123 [2d\]: you mean it makes r7 much more severe?
USGO1 [-\]: Black has 47 minutes on the clock, white has 11
gogonuts [4d\]: w says cut me and ill live
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
RikazeMA [24k?\]: "A good strategist does what his opponent least wants him to do."
mini [4d\]: has Kim Myung-wan lost a single tournament game in the US yet?
fivelover [3k\]: koh is a chubby boy,  he needs to pass lunch
SergeyASh [12k\]: yes... for bottom it good, seems. But what about o10 ?
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: boy?  is he very young?
gogonuts [4d\]: you mean he has an advantage when there is no lunch
gogonuts [4d\]: better reserves
USGO1 [-\]: No, they are both in their 30s
OnTheWay [7k\]: n8?
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;B[op]C[wotan123 [2d\]: hm
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: thx  USGO
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Hehe, good way to look at it gogo.
lonsan [1k\]: koh in late 20s i though
leger [1d\]: no way.. white thinks black can't kill
]
;W[np]C[lonsan [1k\]: thought*
]
;B[oq]C[fivelover [3k\]: ron is right
]
;W[nq]
;B[nn]C[hikaru3 [6k\]: attacking the bottom first
hikaru3 [6k\]: ???
GOBRETT [6k\]: p6
gogonuts [4d\]: n8?
GoGetta [-\]: White already won
leger [1d\]: white will most likely live.. but i honestly don't feel confident i would
USGO1 [-\]: Myung-wan begins to place a stone at n6, then hesitates
leger [1d\]: m7 ?
]
;W[mn]C[RikazeMA [24k?\]: I don't like M7 for some reason...
gogonuts [4d\]: wow
wotan123 [2d\]: consistent
RikazeMA [24k?\]: P6 sounded good though...
SergeyASh [12k\]: n7 ?
adafdsfas: can be kill?
BuhariEX [3k\]: man.. i missed the moves from k13 till now
Erimies [4d\]: n7 overplay
hikaru3 [6k\]: yes
gogonuts [4d\]: this looks dangerous for w
Erimies [4d\]: not at al
OnTheWay [7k\]: why did he fix with p4 and not p6?
Tiny81 [5k\]: is there a live stream?
]
;B[nm]C[AyoLogie: F7?
evanj [2d\]: b can't n7
hikaru3 [6k\]: i would have done... o8
gogonuts [4d\]: theres is
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Tiny, lemme get you link.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
stalkor [4k\]: m8 saves?
Tiny81 [5k\]: thx
rydberg [2d\]: the aji of q6 ought to be enough for w
evanj [2d\]: ah, the talking clock
]
;W[mm]C[hikaru3 [6k\]: o8 now after he cuts
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Hmm...
Nyrckes [1k\]: i think b can double hane now
]
;B[ml]C[GoGetta [-\]: You dont have to sign in for this one http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eurogotv-ustest
wotan123 [2d\]: after saying A comes B
BuhariEX [3k\]: m8 
]
;W[ll]C[adafdsfas: looks w ok
Nyrckes [1k\]: m9
stalkor [4k\]: yeah w connected
evanj [2d\]: yup
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Looks like it...
Nyrckes [1k\]: m9
high5 [1d\]: wonder
wotan123 [2d\]: of course
high5 [1d\]: doubnle hane?
]
;B[nl]C[evanj [2d\]: m9 o8
Nyrckes [1k\]: O_o
BuhariEX [3k\]: won't work
]
;W[lk]C[RikazeMA [24k?\]: Interesting...
wotan123 [2d\]: because b was not really strong there
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: yes
hikaru3 [6k\]: wow...
martin3141 [3k\]: no double hane because black was short of libs
gogonuts [4d\]: still pretty decent localy for b
OnTheWay [7k\]: huuuge bottom
]
;B[mc]
;W[md]C[adafdsfas: why not n18?
USGO1 [-\]: Myung-wan now only has 3 minutes on his clock
]
;B[lc]
;W[nb]C[gogonuts [4d\]: w you mean?
BuhariEX [3k\]: what's the byu yomi?
wotan123 [2d\]: and the clock will speak soon;-)
GoGetta [-\]: Huge reduction by black
RikazeMA [24k?\]: N18 would probably force b into the wall...
Erimies [4d\]: n18 not good
USGO1 [-\]: 5 periods 30 seconds
]
;B[se]C[BuhariEX [3k\]: thx
Leibnix [8k\]: please report more on the players body language, USGO, that adds flavour to the game :)
gogonuts [4d\]: if w n18 b n16
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Leibnix, these two tend to be pretty impassive from the sound of things.
]
;W[rc]C[xedover [5k?\]: you can see their body language on the video
GP01 [3k\]: after her, f7 looks not bad for b again
GP01 [3k\]: *here
JeanVidToi [6k\]: e7 
adafdsfas: how many total minutes each player has?
OnTheWay [7k\]: h17?
aiken23 [8k\]: f7
USGO1 [-\]: 2 hours plus byo-yomi
Leibnix [8k\]: for some reason the video stream doesn't work
gogonuts [4d\]: w avoided b sente at t14, but then s15 instead of s16 would have saved more points
SergeyASh [12k\]: hmm seems b n7 can connect - n7 m7 m8 n8 o7 l8 m9 l9 l10  ;-(
adafdsfas: ic
tsuchigumo [-\]: w seems ahead
ajedrez [1d\]: time for black now?
Leibnix [8k\]: used to work beore
USGO1 [-\]: Ah, I was wrong, Myung-wan has 8 minutes on the clock
GP01 [3k\]: wow, entire middle not alive yet for b i just notice
holycarp [-\]: is the last game being played?
GP01 [3k\]: LOL, no time for f7
gogonuts [4d\]: b needs f7, but he also has to live in the center :-)
martin3141 [3k\]: why s17 and not t16?
Erimies [4d\]: black alrdy has 2 eyes in cente
adafdsfas: is the game very close?
gogonuts [4d\]: because b t14 would become sente
GoGetta [-\]: c7 has to be killed
Ephemere [2d\]: i think w is something like 6 points ahead
USGO1 [-\]: Myung-wan finally gets up for a break
HandA [1k\]: So comfortable
aiken23 [8k\]: m17 or  f7
martin3141 [3k\]: t17 now is also sente
wotan123 [2d\]: i totally forgot the b centre group is weak ;-)
OnTheWay [7k\]: s17 and the vreak tells b - i have won already
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Hmm, either he just really needs to stop by the restroom, or he's feeling at ease...
gogonuts [4d\]: f7 and pray seems like the proper strategy to me
adafdsfas: if b kill c7 and d7 two stones,b will win, right?
tsuchigumo [-\]: where are black's2 eyes?
gogonuts [4d\]: not if the center dies
Onmyoji [2d\]: b+11.5
Ephemere [2d\]: imho a big move vould be around f7 
wotan123 [2d\]: gogonuts you mean all in for b?
wotan123 [2d\]: with f7
rydberg [2d\]: w has a lot of good yose left
gogonuts [4d\]: right :-)
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
adafdsfas: center is not easy to kill!
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Yeah, F7 is looking pretty again, but it seems risky now...
HandA [1k\]: F7 actually threaten to connect center group
USGO1 [-\]: A Korean pro was watching briefly
HandA [1k\]: does it?
GoGetta [-\]: What is blacks time left?
gogonuts [4d\]: its risky allright
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Well, I wouldn't really know, but it definitely feels that way to me.
USGO1 [-\]: Black has more than 40 minutes
GoGetta [-\]: Thx
Werfeus [5d\]: b has 8 eyes there.. f7
OnTheWay [7k\]: what about h17?
tsuchigumo [-\]: s11 will be irritating for b
HandA [1k\]: white's time?
aiken23 [8k\]: f7 is best since it kills c7 and threatens to connect k7
hikaru3 [6k\]: the score estimater is bad for mid game, it counts d7 stones dead and has some other mistakes
wotan123 [2d\]: we know
boken [2d?\]: f7 big
Onmyoji [2d\]: i dont see any mistakes
SergeyASh [12k\]: what w defend with s17 ?? why not simple t16 ?
wotan123 [2d\]: good question
SergeyASh [12k\]: ))
tsuchigumo [-\]: Does not wish that b gets t14 in sente
Erimies [4d\]: trying to keep sente
KillerMonk [4d\]: Because there is a cut at l14
Erimies [4d\]: to save d7
]
;B[kn]
;W[km]
;B[jn]C[Erimies [4d\]: killer l14 doesnt work
Erimies [4d\]: geta
huggy [3k\]: f7 now
KillerMonk [4d\]: not right now but the push at 16 forces black l16
naruto008 [7k?\]: l5
]
;W[ld]C[KillerMonk [4d\]: m16 sorry 
]
;B[kd]
;W[lf]C[wotan123 [2d\]: hm
graphics18 [11k\]: this game is taking forever
wotan123 [2d\]: ready to rumble
leger [1d\]: +1 for killermonk
HandA [1k\]: w should be in byomi now right?
KillerMonk [4d\]: now there is not two eyes yet
hikaru3 [6k\]: ouch
]
;B[kf]C[Erimies [4d\]: e8
wotan123 [2d\]: pray and run 
KillerMonk [4d\]: so playing s17 means that he can play t14 later 
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I'm not pickin' up on whatever you guys are seeing up there...
hikaru3 [6k\]: e8 or l5?
GoGetta [-\]: Im still waiting to see the part where a player slams down a Go stone and his opponent looks at him with total shock
Erimies [4d\]: e8
]
;W[nf]
;B[lh]C[RikazeMA [24k?\]: Table 3 ended with B+7.5
aiken23 [8k\]: this fight is better than usc
aiken23 [8k\]: ufc*
cheddot [-\]: How much time is left?
GP01 [3k\]: go trojans!
wotan123 [2d\]: gogonuts predicted it !
Draxt [7k\]: R12?
Erimies [4d\]: e8 might be even sente
KillerMonk [4d\]: white not be able to kill but he gets sente moves at s10 
Atem [6k\]: does s11 still work?
high5 [1d\]: for b
high5 [1d\]: but its w's turn
GoGetta [-\]: l18 ?
]
;W[io]C[graphics18 [11k\]: how could w lose b is only 7d w is 8p
KillerMonk [4d\]: also forcing moves in the l18 area
wotan123 [2d\]: time to worry
GP01 [3k\]: sealing escape route
RikazeMA [24k?\]: That seemed pretty big...
gogonuts [4d\]: 7d strong enough
naruto008 [7k?\]: b in danger
Yippie [2d\]: graphics... pro ranks are not based on strength in the same way that amateur ranks are
graphics18 [11k\]: against 8p
gogonuts [4d\]: the big gap is between 6d and 7d
graphics18 [11k\]: oh
carbon729 [3d\]: 8p should be ex pro
wotan123 [2d\]: a new rank discussion?
gogonuts [4d\]: sorry :-)
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
naruto008 [7k?\]: no sorry
OnTheWay [7k\]: j5 has a triple purpose
OnTheWay [7k\]: sealing bot
OnTheWay [7k\]: helping k5
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Attacks B's middle too, doesn't it?
gogonuts [4d\]: J5 asks "would you like to try f7 now?"
OnTheWay [7k\]: AND destroying h6 to connect
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Ah.
wotan123 [2d\]: i want to see b f7 now!
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Thought I'd try a guess, see if I learned anything...
tsuchigumo [-\]: s11 is nothing, w blocks at s12
aiken23 [8k\]: q6 for W
high5 [1d\]: s12 r12
rydberg [2d\]: if b f7, w will use the opportunity to force a move sealing k6 off, then attack the base
RikazeMA [24k?\]: No wonder Kim took so long, he seems in a very strong position now...
hikaru3 [6k\]: q6 can be cut i like q7 (for w)
leger [1d\]: what european rank does a kgs 7d player usually has ?
leger [1d\]: *have
ndfsoccer [1d\]: 8-9
GoGetta [-\]: There is alot of moves for black but the main move is to protect his group 
Yippie [2d\]: 3-5 d
ajistorm [1d\]: r12 maybe
leger [1d\]: thanks Yippie
ndfsoccer [1d\]: oh right had that backwards
wotan123 [2d\]: b f7 would be a provocation
flutinx [1k\]: r12 makes an eye in sente
SergeyASh [12k\]: w j10 two eyed - w h10 f12 g11 
aiken23 [8k\]: ? q6 cant be cut
KillerMonk [4d\]: black is kgs 9dan
]
;B[hb]C[flutinx [1k\]: q6 q7
tsuchigumo [-\]: if r12 w s11 is super annoying
gogonuts [4d\]: super duper annoying
GoGetta [-\]: wow i was thinking that same move
]
;W[hc]
;B[ib]C[aiken23 [8k\]: q6 q7 p7 
martin3141 [3k\]: yes, it is anoying, but does not spoil blacks eye he made in sente
Hylebos [3k\]: Doesn't count unless you say it Goget :)
]
;W[gb]C[GoGetta [-\]: xD
aiken23 [8k\]: or p8 i mean
wikipwnia [12k\]: is it possible to play to kill the group j8 to g18
Onmyoji [2d\]: have a cookie for prize
Bheeshma [4k\]: d8 now?
tsuchigumo [-\]: b is lost imo
wikipwnia [12k\]: ??
graphics18 [11k\]: game is taking forever
aiken23 [8k\]: go home then
HandA [1k\]: bed time ZzzZZzzzzz.....
sayang: i am here
Bheeshma [4k\]: white d8*
gogonuts [4d\]: r12 for s11 doesnt make a safe eye
KillerMonk [4d\]: yes but in the meantime black must defend while white gets g18, j5 and s10 like moves
gogonuts [4d\]: only with ko
hikaru3 [6k\]: then p6
OnTheWay [7k\]: l19 biig for w
GoGetta [-\]: When white is thinking he starts shaking 
KillerMonk [4d\]: so white enters the yose with an advantage
rydberg [2d\]: w can even l18
adafdsfas: can s12 make b live?
HandA [1k\]: R12 = one eye for B
]
;B[kb]C[hikaru3 [6k\]: so q6 is cut off
gogonuts [4d\]: no way around L18
]
;W[mb]C[wotan123 [2d\]: hm
adafdsfas: s12 b shall live, right?
]
;B[lb]C[wotan123 [2d\]: nice L&D problem
Onmyoji [2d\]: e18 
]
;W[fm]C[RikazeMA [24k?\]: Ohh...
GoGetta [-\]: f7 big
rydberg [2d\]: and touchdown
wotan123 [2d\]: ah
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Wow.
karintou [2k\]: is j17 better
HandA [1k\]: Now B cry
wotan123 [2d\]: yes, touchdown
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Even I can see that...
SergeyASh [12k\]: ha-ha! b can resign imho
hikaru3 [6k\]: finnaly saves those stones
KillerMonk [4d\]: now i think black has lost the game 
]
;B[cr]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: darn, i just lost the game
]
;W[pm]C[cheddot [-\]: Lovely
hikaru3 [6k\]: finally*
wikipwnia [12k\]: black had to play there
GP01 [3k\]: wow
wikipwnia [12k\]: instead
gogonuts [4d\]: r12 for s11, then later w p13, b q13, w s13 - ko
GP01 [3k\]: this one hurt too
wotan123 [2d\]: im impressed
GoGetta [-\]: No hesitation from white
]
;B[qm]C[wotan123 [2d\]: i want this coolness
RikazeMA [24k?\]: It's no wonder W's taken so much time, he's powerful going into the yose now...
KillerMonk [4d\]: next d12?
leger [1d\]: black lost with b6 ?
adafdsfas: now is over
]
;W[eb]C[tmtyioh [4k\]: lol, I lost too.
wotan123 [2d\]: and dont forget b is a really strong player
fraggle [1k\]: who's that watching?
adafdsfas: sure, he can play with pro
]
;B[db]C[OnTheWay [7k\]: the guy watching looks funny
gogonuts [4d\]: w engineered a safe win
mungo [?\]: The board is reversed here compared to the video?
GoGetta [-\]: White is ahead bylike 8 points
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Not quite Mungo.
gogonuts [4d\]: pillaging the left side won the game
aiken23 [8k\]: e2
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I think the right side of this board is the side facing white on the table.
wotan123 [2d\]: the left side play was galactic
gogonuts [4d\]: but finding the harbor like w did is very difficult
GoGetta [-\]: Only top boards video covered?
Rimathon [18k\]: it's not
Dobby [2k\]: W c12?
adafdsfas: b had opportunity to win
Rimathon [18k\]: the left side of this board is facing USGO1
OnTheWay [7k\]: s3
Warfreak2 [5d\]: you can tell which way round the board is, as black will open in the top right hand corner from his own perspective
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Oh, thanks Rimathon.
baitem [3k\]: isnt s3 gote?
Draxt [7k\]: d12 seems big to me
SergeyASh [12k\]: w h10 - small?
wotan123 [2d\]: to safe the d7 with some kind of sente, i call it galactic
]
;W[eq]C[s3 [15k\]: ^^
high5 [1d\]: even not d19...
OnTheWay [7k\]: w looks bored
gogonuts [4d\]: w ddidnt give b another chance
]
;B[bl]
;W[ch]C[gogonuts [4d\]: resigning would be feasable
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
RikazeMA [24k?\]: You called it before gogo, b should've played F7 and prayed way back when...
OnTheWay [7k\]: will there be a 9p comment on this game in a magazine or on a web page?
gogonuts [4d\]: but it would have died :-)
BlueTurtle [8k\]: what is the adress for the web-cam of this game ?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: OnTheWay, Takemiya will be on KGS tomorrow commenting on this game in full detail.
Rimathon [18k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Rimathon [18k\]: that is the live stream
BlueTurtle [8k\]: thanks
Rimathon [18k\]: also laptop problems lol
adafdsfas: man, w gets taht two stones back
OnTheWay [7k\]: no he will comment on the game tomorrow
OnTheWay [7k\]: not on this game
wotan123 [2d\]: ...
GoGetta [-\]: ???????????
Kokono [19k\]: @@
MATb [2d\]: escape
]
;B[bj]
;W[da]
;B[ca]
;W[ea]
;B[cb]C[wotan123 [2d\]: escaper
]
;W[rq]C[egergre: ?
]
;B[rp]
;W[rr]C[USGO1 [-\]: Sorry, disconnect.
wotan123 [2d\]: blitz, boyomi time ;-)
HandA [1k\]: lol
gogonuts [4d\]: w seems to be elading on the board
gogonuts [4d\]: leading
IGoofy [1d\]: where else ?
adafdsfas: w gets all he wants to play
gyokuro [4k\]: where is balck leading then?
vachibou [12k\]: comment ils les font chié avec leur portable!
gogonuts [4d\]: time for a last sad look
USGO1 [-\]: Sorry for the disconnect - Solomon here taking over for Matt.
]
;B[ga]
;W[fb]C[wotan123 [2d\]: king solomon?
martin3141 [3k\]: t17
USGO1 [-\]: Solomon Smilack, your rusty trusty game recorder.
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
wotan123 [2d\]: ah
GoGetta [-\]: =_+
OnTheWay [7k\]: c13
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: Welcome  Solomon
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Nice to have you Solomon, welcome.
USGO1 [-\]: I'm on relief duty today.
WoolyMaCha [5k\]: get some rest, thx
USGO1 [-\]: You may know me from earlier games this congress.
eyeglass [?\]: such as?
USGO1 [-\]: Also the misclick at move 78 was mine.
]
;B[sc]
;W[sb]
;B[sd]C[sayang: YOU!?
]
;W[rb]C[gogonuts [4d\]: no atari now :-)
USGO1 [-\]:  ;_; sorry
]
;B[ri]
;W[rh]
;B[rj]
;W[qh]C[wotan123 [2d\]: with komi w leads over 10 points
gyokuro [4k\]: who else
sayang: any other misclicks?
]
;B[le]
;W[me]C[OnTheWay [7k\]: m15??
IGoofy [1d\]: b need eye
]
;B[lg]C[xXARKXx [4k\]: is there enough eye-space for black?
]
;W[mf]C[flutinx [1k\]: b already 2 eyes
high5 [1d\]: lol wth is b playing
gogonuts [4d\]: there is - with another move
martin3141 [3k\]: b has already two eyes at the top edge
dogbert [3d\]: M19
wotan123 [2d\]: the question is not eyespace
gogonuts [4d\]: does not
GP01 [3k\]: filling up the dames as he goes
GP01 [3k\]: he wanna eat
aiken23 [8k\]: which guy is white and which guy is black
gogonuts [4d\]: k17 would kill
R [1k\]: b l5 is a big sente
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Guy on the left (In the Stream) is black.
SergeyASh [12k\]: w h10 - small now??
Draxt [7k\]: so he just wanted a ko for sente?
high5 [1d\]: k17 doesn't kill
wotan123 [2d\]: the question is has b two eyes
GoGetta [-\]: They are noth girls
gogonuts [4d\]: only in gote
Kroni [2k\]: k17 doesnt kioll at all -.-
gogonuts [4d\]: s11 cost half an eye
martin3141 [3k\]: b is save
martin3141 [3k\]: *safe
]
;B[la]
;W[go]C[adafdsfas: w win 2-5 points
Kroni [2k\]: o.o
gogonuts [4d\]: does too :-)
high5 [1d\]: i don't get it...
wotan123 [2d\]: w gets how many komi?
xXARKXx [4k\]: okay, he's safe now, lol
]
;B[fh]C[gogonuts [4d\]: without m19 b dies
GoGetta [-\]: Black sucks ay yose
]
;W[dh]C[GoGetta [-\]: *at
]
;B[gf]
;W[hj]
;B[gi]C[gogonuts [4d\]: its simple - k17, then m19
SergeyASh [12k\]: ))
mini [4d\]: a kyu player making fun of a KGS 9d's endgame, brilliant.
gogonuts [4d\]: sucks@yose
]
;W[sp]
;B[so]
;W[sq]C[wotan123 [2d\]: what is komi?
gogonuts [4d\]: probably not an allowed nick, too bad
hutachip [6k\]: BURN him
GoGetta [-\]: WHo said i was kyu?
high5 [1d\]: yeah i'm tired -_-
mini [4d\]: you are kyu, obvious.
dogbert [3d\]: more likely, w+6
IGoofy [1d\]: komi short for comedian
djaffar [12k\]: gogetta is kyu
hutachip [6k\]: ha ha ha >>
GoGetta [-\]: Yeah that makes sense
JRamiro [5k\]: hmm, i did think b h14 was sente
Hylebos [3k\]: diaffar... we aren't ones to talk -.-
Msharingan [4k\]: H14,h15,h13,j12
martin3141 [3k\]: black would not have died. it was seki
USGO1 [-\]: Myung-Wan is now in Byoyomi time.
]
;B[ro]C[martin3141 [3k\]: he just didn't want to lose those points
xXARKXx [4k\]: no, black was dead
adafdsfas: b should played e8 early
Hoyuk [12k\]: i am not kyu >.<
SergeyASh [12k\]: j6 
Hylebos [3k\]: The first step to recovery is admitting that you have a problem Hoyuk.
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong Koh has resigned, Myung-Wan Kim has won.
djaffar [12k\]: white is a good player 
xXARKXx [4k\]: kewlz
wotan123 [2d\]: of course
gogonuts [4d\]: no, dead, because of m16
USGO1 [-\]: B+Resign.
Hoyuk [12k\]: being kyu is problem?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: So, where was the losing move for Black?
wotan123 [2d\]: ;.)
djaffar [12k\]: i am kyu
GoGetta [-\]: Good game
Draxt [7k\]: thanks for all usgo
OnTheWay [7k\]: B+resign?????????????
hikaru3 [6k\]: thx
RikazeMA [24k?\]: In your opinions, of course.
wotan123 [2d\]: b+ res?
lonsan [1k\]: you mean w+ resign :)
XSpanier [1k\]: who won?
xedover [5k?\]: B+ ?? or W+??
dogbert [3d\]: move #1, playing against a 8P:)
wotan123 [2d\]: ???
SergeyASh [12k\]: w resign?
Rimathon [18k\]: white won
RikazeMA [24k?\]: W+Resign
gogonuts [4d\]: good lord
Kroni [2k\]: i always wonder how the high dans can count so good :S
wotan123 [2d\]: hah?
lonsan [1k\]: haha
XSpanier [1k\]: the pro lost :p
lonsan [1k\]: no
eskalation [1k\]: .
wotan123 [2d\]: i missed something?
SergeyASh [12k\]: w resign!
djaffar [12k\]: i am a good player
USGO1 [-\]: I'm sorry.
USGO1 [-\]: >.<
hutachip [6k\]: 123s ABCs....now children please recite after the 9P!
wotan123 [2d\]: dont understand the world
Bheeshma [4k\]: white resigned?? or white won?
karabos [3k\]: lol
Hallon [?\]: black resigned
Rimathon [18k\]: white won
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Okay, let's spell this out.  White wins by Resignation.
USGO1 [-\]: Juyong Koh has resigned, Myung-Wan Kim has won.
USGO1 [-\]: --> W+Resign
gogonuts [4d\]: thanks
djaffar [12k\]: i can beat juyong
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
xedover [5k?\]: thanks USGO1
dogbert [3d\]: ha
gogonuts [4d\]: i thought i was going bonkers
Bheeshma [4k\]: thanks USGO
wotan123 [2d\]: my world is ok now
OnTheWay [7k\]: what did they say?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: So, guys, where do you think the losing move was for black?
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Or, moves, as it may be.
dogbert [3d\]: 不得了呀
OnTheWay [7k\]: b6 was bad
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Hey, that looks kinda like Kanji...
hikaru3 [6k\]: the loss was letting white connect the two stones on the left
hutachip [6k\]: psh...children ...its time for your bed
wotan123 [2d\]: so now time to drink a beer
wotan123 [2d\]: ciao folks
SergeyASh [12k\]: uhh. USGO1 was joke )
OnTheWay [7k\]: will the 9p comment THIS game or another game tomorrow?
Rimathon [18k\]: b6 was totally unneccesary
gogonuts [4d\]: takemiya didnt like b6
dogbert [3d\]: honorable loss for b
RikazeMA [24k?\]: There are two, OnTheWay.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: One by Guo, on the 2nd board game I think, and Takemiya, on this game.
gogonuts [4d\]: and right after b6 things went sour for b, so maybe theres something to it :-)
OnTheWay [7k\]: but i am referring to the full comment tomorrow
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Yes, by Takemiya, tomorrow, on the remainder or entirety of this game, I'm not sure.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: He only commented up to the first 75 or so moves.
hikaru3 [6k\]: bye all
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Then went to rest up on account of Jet-Lag.
OnTheWay [7k\]: i think he will comment another game that will be played tomorrow
martin3141 [3k\]: was not dead - seki!
RikazeMA [24k?\]: They said, "Takemiya will be back tomorrow to comment on this game in its entirety."
martin3141 [3k\]: oh ... I was wrong - sorry
OnTheWay [7k\]: i hope someone will record it and put it on youtube ^^
RikazeMA [24k?\]: It's not audio.
OnTheWay [7k\]: maybe you can video the interview
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Anyway, this one won't be.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: This game's.  Though, with how bad everyone was before, he might just decide to only do the ING final instead...
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I wouldn't be surprised, since people wouldn't shut up about...  Well, that's neither here nor there.  Have fun guys!
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